Wanted: Someone to make Nader look good

Ralph Nader is running an ad looking for two people to be his press spokespersons.

Here's the ad:

Description of duties and qualifications: The Nader/Gonzalez '08 presidential campaign for a progressive, majoritarian redirection of our country is seeking experienced media persons to conduct outreach and receive press inquiries.

You can bring your conscience to work daily, commit truth, and engage the great issues of our times.

Writing and reportorial experience are needed, unless you are a sui generis talented and motivated dynamo in these tumultuous arenas of newspapers, magazines, radio, television and the blogs.

Applications are invited, together with references, writing samples and other magnetic material that you believe commend you for these tasks. Savor the experience, make a consequential contribution to public dialogue, public education and the substantive quality of this presidential year, whose major party candidates are so besieged thus far with trivia and distractions.

I think they left a few things out. I imagine that Nader's press spokesperson is going to have to be prepared to answer some tough questions over the next several months.

Such as:

1. WTF is Nader doing running again?

2. Is Obama not progressive enough for King Ralph?

3. You want me to run a story about your candidate? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

4. How much of your campaign fund was contributed by Republicans?

5. Which is bigger -- Saturn's moon Titan or Ralph's ego?

Actually, there are worse jobs out there. Imagine if you were Cheney's PR guy.

•  But don't you dare try to unionize!

  by palantir on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:14:51 PM PDT

  •  Ralph Nader is the reason we have a bunch of

    government regulations to stop businesses raping us beyond belief. To make fun of him for no reason is really sad. "oh no, Nader might take votes by actual progressives who see that both parties are not addressing their need!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How fucking dangerous to US as supporters of um............um......."

    the Gore and Bush camps both decided to NOT include Nader in 2000 because he was a "non-factor" in the election. For Gore folk to then blame Nader for being THE FACTOR after he ran a fucked up run for preznit is sad and delusional.

    Nader, and anyone who wishes, should run for the preznit if they want. You can continue to have nonsense delusions about why his run is sad or whatever but it does not alter reality. Gore and his apologists tried to alter reality after he stood down but, facts are facts.

    I will be voting for progressives in this election and also Obama. He IS THE nominee and has been for over two months. But to put down someone for running for preznit comes across as sad, bitter and just not paying attention to reality. Sorry to point this out but..............

    by bebacker on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:43:46 PM PDT

    •  Nah, we put Nader down

      not because he ran for President, but because he was a damned liar.  Gore was the best, most progressive candidate we'd had since, oh, Carter, and his environmental record was second to none.  Bush was a sociopath and environment-pillager.  Facts are facts.

      Nader lied by claiming that Gore and Bush were the same.  While runnning on the Green Party ticket, a party which damn well should have noticed the difference.  Meanwhile Nader's party accepted funding from the Republicans.

      Someone that delusional and dangerous well deserves to be removed from politics permanently.  I don't care what he did thirty years earlier, his slanderous lies about Gore were unpardonable.

      Sorry to point this out but....

      by neroden on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:52:14 PM PDT

      •  I'm not defending Nader but

        by choosing Lieberman as his running mate, Gore did a terrific job of disguising his progressive credentials in 2000.

        by sja on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:57:36 PM PDT

        •  Lieberman circa 2000

          was a moderate Democrat who was solid on the environment and who had been critical of Bill Clinton's behavior during the Lewinsky scandal.

          Lieberman after 9/11 was a warmongering chode, but it took 9/11 to bring out the worst in Holy Joe.

          by limpidglass on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:00:56 PM PDT

          •  um, lieberman was always a shit n/t

            by bebacker on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:02:16 PM PDT

            •  the fact that Obama backed him

              in the Connecticut Senate primary would seem to indicate that party loyalty took precedence over principle on that occasion.

              And in 2006 everyone knew that Lieberman was a cheerleader for the neocons, unlike in 2000.

              by limpidglass on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:22:38 PM PDT

            •  Lieberman's better Cheney that you

              helped inaugurate.

              by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:37:08 PM PDT

      •  Gore and his record on the environment has

        been shown to be false. The number one polluter in the world is animal factory farms but Gore has refused to mention this!!!!!

        HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

        by bebacker on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:01:47 PM PDT

        •  step away from the keyboard

          take a deep breath.

          It's been a long day. Stretch. Make yourself a nice cup of tea.

          Feel better now?

          by limpidglass on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:04:07 PM PDT

          •  no. I did all of your rec's and I still

            have to call Gore out. Sorry limpidglass but, um, reality is reality. Is that hard? Not being an asshole but, ya know, reality and all. The number one polluter in the world IS factory farms- 1/3 of ALL the pollution in the world and "an inconvenient truth" did not mention them. Why? Maybe he had the same handlers that ran the WORST campaign that I ever was involved with. EVER. but, ya know, Nader was to blame.

            by bebacker on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:09:29 PM PDT

            •  provide evidence

              or stop pulling stuff out of you ass.

              "The number one polluter in the world IS factory farms"

              what factory farms are you talking about? Gore talks about industrial pollution all the time.

              Gore ran a pretty good campaign to pull from double digit deficits inherited from the Clinton scandal and won the popular vote despite unprecedented media smears and an seriously adverse Nader factor:

                     NPR 2000 coverage

                    Campaign Protests (14.4 | 28.8)
                    Morning Edition, August 31, 2000
                    NPR's Anthony Brooks reports from Seattle on the campaign trail, where protests and counterprotests by supporters of Democrat Al Gore and Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader are overshadowing Gore's efforts to emphasize his health care policy.

                    All Things Considered, October 23, 2000
                    Vice President Al Gore began his kitchen table tour today, having breakfast with a small business owner and her 14-month-old son in Portland, Oregon. Gore is in the Pacific Northwest to stress his stand on the environment and consumer issues. He's hoping to head off defections to the Green Party campaign of Ralph Nader. Polls show both Oregon and Washington close enough for Nader's vote to make Republican nominee George W. Bush the winner. Linda Wertheimer talks to NPR's Andy Bowers.

                    All Things Considered, October 27, 2000
                    NPR's Robert Siegel reports from Madison, Wisconsin on efforts by Al Gore and Ralph Nader to woo the same left-wing voters. Wisconsin has been solidly Democratic in the last three presidential races. But there, as in a handful of other states, the three-to-five-percent of the vote that polls show Nader may win could be enough to give George Bush a victory. Siegel talks to people in both the Gore and Nader camps, as well as Democratic voters who turned out to hear Al Gore yesterday and Nader supporters who turned out to protest Gore's appearance.

                 -------

                    THE 2000 CAMPAIGN: THE GREEN PARTY; Republican Ads Use Nader's Comments in Bid to Hurt Gore

                    October 28, 2000, Saturday
                    By MICHAEL COOPER WITH RICHARD PEREZ-PENA (NYT); National Desk
                    Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 13, Column 3, 826 words

                    DISPLAYING FIRST 50 OF 826 WORDS -Hoping to siphon votes from Vice President Al Gore, Republicans in three closely contested states prepared to broadcast a television commercial featuring Ralph Nader, as the candidate himself campaigned here tonight and continued to aim his sharpest barbs at the Democratic ticket. Speaking to a capacity crowd at Iowa...

                 -------

                 By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff, 10/24/2000

                 Green Party nominee Ralph Nader is hurting the vice president in some key states. Gore is spending increasing time and money in a defensive posture, campaigning in states he had hoped to sew up long ago. And, Gore has written off much of the South.

                 Yesterday, in what may be partly an effort to unnerve Gore, the Bush campaign for the first time began spending heavily on television ads in Tennessee, Gore's home state, and in Minnesota, usually a reliably Democratic bastion. Gore, meanwhile, spent yesterday campaigning in Oregon and Washington, where Nader is taking votes away in a traditionally Democratic region.

                 -------

                 2004

                 But it is well documented that some Republican-leaning groups have worked for Nader, and that a few wealthy Republican donors have given money to the Nader campaign.
              Links and other information found in: 2000 Election Synopsis

              by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:50:41 PM PDT

            •  Gore is a class act:

              he treated Nader very cordially when Nader showed up at a book signing event. Nader responded nicely as well:

              Dana Milbank, Washington Post Friday, June 16, 2006

                 Next stop on the Turn-Back-Time tour: Olsson's book shop on 7th Street Northwest, where Gore was signing books at noon. "I'm not supposed to say anything, just sign books," he announced when he started. But when he got to number 214 in the line, he noticed the lanky figure and stood up. "Nice to see you! How you doing? . . . I'm really so grateful to you for coming by."

                 After more pleasantries, Gore scribbled a line in the book: "For my friend, Ralph Nader. With respect, Al Gore."

                 Nader was smitten. "He's liberated!" Nader said. "He's defining what progressive Democrats should be about."

                 Had they reached such a rapport six years ago, Gore might have won the election in 2000, as two men in line reminded Nader. "Thanks to you, we had Bush all these years," said one. "How many are dead in Iraq because of that?"

              See here: When Nader met Gore

              by NeuvoLiberal on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:01:11 AM PDT

        •  Prove it

          Give us links to evidence or shut up.

          by dogdad on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:18:11 PM PDT

        •  Gore would've been the greenest president ever

          by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:39:55 PM PDT

          •  really? define green. Because he has done

            nothing to address the number one polluter in the world!!!! In fact, he won't mention it. Green indeed.

            by bebacker on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:45:35 PM PDT

            •  Gore's commitment to the environment:

                 Gore in his Nom. acceptance speech:

                   And I say it again tonight: We must reverse the silent rising tide of global warming, and we can.

                 2nd Pres. debate:

                   GORE: I do. I think that in this 21st century we will soon see the consequences of what's called global warming. There was a study just a few weeks ago suggesting that in summertime the north polar ice cap will be completely gone in 50 years.

                   GORE: I'm really strongly committed to clean water and clean air, and cleaning up the new kinds of challenges like global warming. He is right that I'm not in favor of energy taxes. I am in favor of tax cuts to encourage and give incentives for the quicker development of these new kinds of technologies.

                   GORE: Well, that vote wasn't exactly -- a lot of the supporters of the Kyoto Treaty actually ended up voting for that because the way it was worded. But there's no doubt there's a lot of opposition to it in the Senate. I'm not for command and control techniques either. I'm for working with the groups, not just with industry but also with the citizen groups and local communities to control sprawl in ways that the local communities themselves come up with. But I disagree that we don't know the cause of global warming. I think that we do. It's pollution, carbon dioxide, and other chemicals that are even more potent, but in smaller quantities, that cause this. Look, the world's temperature is going up, weather patterns are changing, storms are getting more violent and unpredictable. What are we going to tell our children? I'm a grandfather now. I want to be able to tell my grandson when I'm in my later years that I didn't turn away from the evidence that showed that we were doing some serious harm. In my faith tradition, it is -- it's written in the book of Matthew, "Where your heart is, there is your treasure also." And I believe that -- that we ought to recognize the value to our children and grandchildren of taking steps that preserve the environment in a way that's good for them.

                 Gore 2000 Campaign Ad "Matters"

                   Test:
                   Al Gore (in his office): In this election, the environment itself is on the ballot. And there's a big difference between us. I'll never put polluters in charge of our environmental laws. I've worked for twenty-four years to protect our air and water and to hold polluters accountable. And I believe that if we act now we can reverse the tide of global warming. I hear some people say, you know, this election doesn't really matter. It does matter. Our air and water are at stake, and I need your help to protect them.

              Video link

              The 2000 Democratic National Platform:

                 Prosperity, Progress, and Peace

                 Eight of the ten hottest years ever recorded have occurred during the past ten years. Scientists predict a daunting range of likely effects from global warming. Much of Florida and Louisiana submerged underwater. More record floods, droughts, heat waves, and wildfires. Diseases and pests spreading to new areas. Crop failures and famines. Melting glaciers, stronger storms, and rising seas. These are not Biblical plagues. They are the predicted result of human actions. They can be prevented only with a new set of human actions – big choices and new thinking.

                 ...

                 Disruption of the World’s Ecological System. The disruption of the world’s ecological systems – from the rise of global warming and the consequent damage to our climate balance, to the loss of living species and the depletion of ocean fisheries and forest habitats – continues at a frightening rate. We must act now to protect our Earth while preserving and creating jobs for our people. In 1997, we negotiated the historic Kyoto Protocols, an international treaty that will establish a strong, realistic, and effective framework to reduce greenhouse emissions in an environmentally strong and economically sound way. We are working to develop a broad international effort to take action to meet this threat. Al Gore and the Democratic Party believe we must now ratify those Protocols.

              ~~~

              "Because he has done nothing to address the number one polluter in the world!!!!"

              Please stop blabbering. State clearly what you mean and present evidence from legitimate sources to support your claims.

              by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:55:39 PM PDT

            •  Again prove it or SYFPH

              Jesus Christ on a crutch.  All you can do is spew love of Ralph and unproven statements about Al Gore.  Until you can prove anything with links to evidence your "arguments" mean nothing.

              by dogdad on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:00:04 AM PDT

      •  I don't know why I'm bothering to write this...

        because people have their minds made up that Nader is evil.

        Gore and the Democrats lost the election in 2000. That's it. You can argue (quit convincingly) the election was stolen, but don't try to put the blame of the Dem's shotty 2000 performance on Nader. I think it's silly he's running this cycle, but just ignore him. Everyone else is, he's mostly harmless and, as was pointed out before, Americans owe him a lot.

        by dirtdawg on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:01:51 AM PDT

    •  For all the good he's done, he's a kook

      but where do I say he shouldn't run?

      I made a quip about his holier than thou, if you work for me and my ordained campaign to help the poor stooopid folk of America to throw off the yoke of corporate servitude you don't have the right to unionize stance.

      Kind of ironic, no?

      by palantir on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:54:11 PM PDT

    •  Naderites never change

      the Naderites who still think Nader was right aren't backing Obama because he's a true progressive.

      The reason they're backing him is because he gives them the same thrill of rebellion against the system that Nader gave them in 2000, with his "hope" and "change you can believe in" and his attacks on the "same old Washington politics."

      And of course, being young, biracial and a "Washington outsider" only adds to the thrill. Samantha Power, the Harvard professor who writes long books about how the UN should do more to stop genocide? Man, what Naderite wouldn't fall in love with her?  And that whole youth-spent-as-community-organizer thing? That alone would send a true-Green Naderite into spasms of orgasmic bliss.

      Fortunately for everyone else, Obama is a center-left moderate who actually has a solid chance of winning the presidency. But don't tell the Naderites that--if they found out, they just might decide to back another contentious, self-absorbed ass who'll do nothing but steal votes from the Democratic candidate.

      by limpidglass on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:58:37 PM PDT

      •  leaders are leaders. We should never count on

        them. But, to say that Nader "steals votes" from YOUR party is sick and twisted. How about YOUR party has left a bunch of people feeling dirty? Know? As you say, Obama is a "center-left moderate"!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ahhhhhh, how fucking exciting huh? How about running a person who is a "truth teller who won't fucking back down to myth and lies????"

        Nader is not that person but either is Obama! Wow. Keep justifying.

        by bebacker on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:06:29 PM PDT

        •  Keep ranting

          You are proving that your opinion means nothing.

          by dogdad on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:32:07 PM PDT

          •  are ya sure? You have proven to me that

            you are ignorant- "shut your fucking pie hole" and have not much to add. But again, I am right so I understand that you get frustrated. I do.

            by bebacker on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:43:11 PM PDT

            •  You just keep on telling yourself that

              ...I hope that little dream of you and Ralph cuddling together keeps you warm at night.

              by dogdad on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:57:08 PM PDT

    •  SYFPH

      I used to respect Nader.  Now that any Nader fanboys come out and start preaching St. Ralph just makes me gag.

      So, take your praise for someone that is NOT a Democrat and go preach on another site.  This blog is for electing Democrats.

      In other words: Shut Your Fucking Pie Hole.

      by dogdad on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:16:59 PM PDT

      •  Wow mr. dogdad.

        Are you afraid of someone who goes door to door for a progressive democratic org?! I spend my time making sure that we win and I do it the only way we can. Going door to door. Repugs, Indies, Sad middle of the road dems, I talk to them all to make sure we win this year. To tell me to SYFPH is a whole bunch like circus music to me.

        by bebacker on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:41:48 PM PDT

        •  You miss the point

          You are promoting someone that is NOT a Democrat.  This site is for promoting DEMOCRATS.  As has been repeated multiple times, the purpose of this site, from the site's FAQ:

          This is a Democratic blog, a partisan blog. One that recognizes that Democrats run from left to right on the ideological spectrum, and yet we're all still in this fight together. We happily embrace centrists like NDN's Simon Rosenberg and Howard Dean, conservatives like Martin Frost and Brad Carson, and liberals like John Kerry and Barack Obama. Liberal? Yeah, we're around here and we're proud. But it's not a liberal blog. It's a Democratic blog with one goal in mind: electoral victory. And since we haven't gotten any of that from the current crew, we're one more thing: a reform blog. The battle for the party is not an ideological battle. It's one between establishment and anti-establishment factions. And as I've said a million times, the status quo is untenable

          So, if you want to keep preaching about Ralphie I'm going to keep telling you to SYFPH and go find another site to preach about him.

          If you want to talk about electing Democrats than welcome. :)

          by dogdad on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:55:32 PM PDT

•  oh, could i EVER apply for that job!

  press packet:  

  start with nader bopping down highway driving a pinto in bumper to bumper traffic...

  heh heh heh heh heh....

  and ask for contributions:

  slogan:  buy ralph a new (used) pinto!

  the donations would absolutely FLOOD in!

  by edrie on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:15:52 PM PDT

  •  Haven't seen any lately.

    I think they all blew up.

    by converse on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:19:13 PM PDT

    •  surely there is ONE around -

      for a "noble" cause?  oh, ralphie - got a PRESENT for ya!!!!

      by edrie on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:03:35 PM PDT

•  GROSS

  he's siphoning voters that would go to the democrats.

  by lmenshevik on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:16:29 PM PDT

  •  I seriously doubt that

    This time around, any voters that vote for him will only vote for him if they have no intention of voting for the Democratic nominee.

    The scenario that would garner him the most votes is if Hillary steals the nomination.

    by Sagebrush Bob on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:29:07 PM PDT

•  simplest solution:

  put a paper bag over his head.

  Cut out eyeholes if absolutely necessary. But don't cut out a hole for his mouth--it's best if people don't hear him too clearly.

  by limpidglass on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:16:58 PM PDT

  •  Ralph should be forced to speak only in

    Pig-Latin, all the better for his Republican handlers to understand him with.

    by shpilk on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:19:13 PM PDT

•  I wanna be Ralph Nader's Bob Shrum

  I'll bury his ambition so deep, they'll need to go down in the Mariana Trench to find it.

  Pick me, Ralphie, pick me. I'll do what's right for progressives.

  by shpilk on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:18:11 PM PDT

  •  Maybe he should just hire Shrum

    Shrum has such a great track record. LOL

    by quaoar on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:20:00 PM PDT

•  Someone to Make Him Look Good

  ...Alan Keyes. Another extraneous candidate even more ludicrous than Nader is.

  by Ray Radlein on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:27:02 PM PDT

  •  Keyes is running

    for the Constitution Party nomination.

    by quaoar on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:41:17 PM PDT

•  Ralph Who?

  OK..you know it's really, really bad when they have place ads for campaign executives, let alone spokespeople. Ralph who?

  by StuHunter on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:27:24 PM PDT

•  Nader couldn't look good

  if he was laundered in golden soap, hung out to dry on the first day of spring, bundled in an Armani suit and made up by a member of the Makeup Artists and Hairstyling Union. You cannot make a stink like that just go away.

  by crose on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:42:26 PM PDT

  •  wow. really? Nader has done more than

    all of us combined! the fact that Gore tried to blame him for nothing but gore's bad campaign is very telling. It is unreal the retelling of history here. Nader has done more for working people than Gore could dream of. I never voted for Nader and in fact voted for Gore but damn are these comments on this diary sad and idiotic. Just fucking sad.

    UGH

    by bebacker on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:21:18 PM PDT

    •  I understand the antipathy towards Nader

      but he does deserve far more respect for the things he's accomplished in his life. Things that have made everyone's life better.

      by Sagebrush Bob on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:32:50 PM PDT

    •  stop lying.

      "the fact that Gore tried to blame him for nothing but gore's bad campaign is very telling."

      That's a bald-faced lie. Gore never blamed Nader.

      But, it's a fact that Nader was one of the 3 major factors beyond Gore's control that hampered Gore, which were:

      1. Clinton scandals

      2. Media smears and spins against Gore (pre-netroots)

      3. Nader factor.

      ~~

      "Nader has done more than all of us combined!"

      He's done some good things in the 60s and 70s. He's been harming progressive causes badly with his spoiler runs, esp. the one in 2000.

      by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:44:28 PM PDT

      •  More details about

        the 2000 election (partly supporting my claims above) found here.

        by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:57:01 PM PDT

•  Answer to 2:

  GORE wasn't progressive enough for King Ralph.  Gore has now won the Oscar and the Nobel Peace Prize and in the process proven himself to be one of the greatest progressives in the last 50 years.

  No, of course Obama isn't progressive enough for King Ralph.  Bernie Sanders probably isn't progressive enough for him.  FDR wouldn't be progressive enough.  Teddy Roosevelt (Progressive Party, 1912) certainly wouldn't be progressive enough. He probably doesn't think Robert LaFollete (Progressive Party, 1924) was progressive enough either!

  by neroden on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:47:29 PM PDT

  •  as some wag here once said,

    Nader would run against Kucinich.

    by limpidglass on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:48:40 PM PDT

    •  Well, he said he would support Kucinich in '04...

      ...but he and his ego decided against that at the last minute.

      We wasted a great opportunity to grow Progressive Democratic participation by not endorsing Kucinich in 2004 - not because Kucinich would have won, but by throwing him a lot more attention by the media and the voters.

      by Rico on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:18:20 PM PDT

•  Hillary Clinton

  is starting to make Nader look good...

  by Wit Whither Wilt on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:53:33 PM PDT

•  Give him Mark Penn, lol

  Or Hillary.  She makes anyone look good, compared to her.

  by El in New York on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:17:02 PM PDT

•  Is the guy who makes the videos for Gravel

  available for this job?

  by RBH on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:59:22 PM PDT

•  Augh.

  First they need to hire a copy person to write a better help wanted ad.

  Applications are invited, together with references, writing samples and other magnetic material that you believe commend you for these tasks.

  Dude. Do you think we should, like, put down the bong and go to class sometime? We haven't left the apartment in, like, four days.

  Nah. Don't worry 'bout it, dude. Can't go to class now, man! I've been writing this ad for, like, three weeks, man, and I'm totally inspired by this blacklight poster. This'll totally define our operation, brah.

  by Chris in West Seattle on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:32:28 AM PDT

•  These are the kind of diaries

  that get me depressed about democracy.  The Democrats will still be blaming Nader 50 years after he's dead.  Want to know the definition of ad hominem attack?  Visit a Nader diary.

  by Reframing the Debate on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:04:52 PM PDT

•  Okay, I shouldn't bite on this but...

  >> 1.  WTF is Nader doing running again?

  Because he is representing issues important to American citizens that the major parties are ignoring.  Like single-payer health care.  And stronger pro-union laws.

  >> 2. Is Obama not progressive enough for King Ralph?

  No.  Obama's Senate record is not that of a progressive.

  >> 3. You want me to run a story about your candidate? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

  One of the problems in America is that the media decides which issues are important.  Witness the last Democratic debate on ABC.  We need to let the American people choose who they want to vote for.

  >> 4. How much of your campaign fund was contributed by Republicans?

  About 4% last time around.  Much, much less than Republicans contributed to the Democratic nominee.  And despite what Democrats might tell you, Republicans can have good ideas and values.  Robert Monks (a Republican who contributed to Nader's campaign) is one of the strongest advocates of shareholder rights for instance.

  >> 5. Which is bigger -- Saturn's moon Titan or Ralph's ego?
  These kind of personal attacks are generally made when one has nothing of substance to say.

  I don't understand why the Democratic party is so willing to appeal to conservative independents at the expense of more progressive voters.  While these personal attacks might help you let off some steam, they do nothing to pull disillusioned Nader supporters back into the Democratic fold.

  by Reframing the Debate on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:21:47 PM PDT

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  by Soundpolitic on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:24:39 AM EDT

  Two bits of advice for you:

  1.  Stop wasting your time on Nader.  He's not a threat.  All your doing is venting and it does nothing to help.

  2.  Learn the fucking rules and stop abusing your status, bitch:  You don't troll rate tip jars.

  by Soundpolitic on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:08:09 PM PDT